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It's pretty interesting. Where did you force when you performed that, if you don't mind me asking?
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We went to the Mushroom Kingdom, the world of Super Mario. We fought some Goombas and Koopas, put out a small city fire, and used a mega mushroom to fight a tall mecha Bowser.
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It was vivid
12:26 AM
I had stopped doing it because I thought it was unhealthy at the time
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That sounds really cool, but kind of dangerous due to the environment around you at the time. I wish we could do something like that. Also, I couldn't help but think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dv_DXqdC9k
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What I'm getting at is it might work for some hosts that also daydream like that if they are having problems forcing
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Ahh, that is true. Perhaps you could write a guide of some sort about it.
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Definition from Medical Daily: Quote: Now what happens when day dreaming goes too far? You find yourself missing days and hours of time daydreaming. This is known as maladaptive daydreaming (MD) — an
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I never lost days before when I was younger
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Abvieon {Alex} 4/10/2018 1:49 AM
I've been a maladaptive daydreamer since I was only 3
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@Mathis Fyr yep I know another who's a "maladaptive" daydreamer and they have a tulpa which they hang about with when they daydream, it's amazing forcing really
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That's what I think. The place was corny, but Tsuki doesn't mind as long as I'm forcing. The rest just filled itself in pretty easy
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vivid interaction is still very much interaction
9:12 AM
and interaction is the basis of tulpaforcing, afterall
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probably extremely late, but the whole visualizing while moving vs still thing, isn't the eye naturally drawn to movement?
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yeah, it is
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some have an easier time visualizing something/someone in motion for that reason, while others find it easier to visualize while stationary because it's fewer details
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Something I've had to deal with; the idea that for a time you will basically be a blind person in the tulpa's domain. It can help to alleviate the stress of "gotta see stuff now", and just spend time with them as their neighborhood blind guy. :P You can also develop a somewhat more intuition based approach to sight, wherein you still know where things are even if details can't be resoled. Sort of like navigating familiar places with your eyes closed, but a bit more "psychic", because the place is in your head.
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Not sure if that's related to what they asked, or if I just read into it too far.
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@Nickolai Well said.
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I've asked everywhere, so might as well here. How can my host switch out? What should she do, what should we do? And no, she's not scared or hesitant, so don't even suggest that
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Us tulpas front all the time, just can't get her to switch out yet
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There are tons of switching guides out there, if you haven't read those you may want to check the subreddit wiki
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Spend an hour in near silence with no one else around.
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I have read all of the guides -_-
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No success in following them?
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The key is to disassociate the host from the body.
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I'll be frank, I think true switching is reserved for the mentally ill
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No, they all use symbolism, which is useless to us
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So you may be cursed
12:52 PM
With sanity
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Implying we aren't mentally ill
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she'd have to learn some sort of dissociation. Could do anapana to just focus her consciousness to a point, or go deep into visualization to retreat in the wonderland, or you can try switching near sleep if she'd accept being just, knocked out (edited)
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Our system is relatively sane compared to how we were in the past
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A certain type of ill as well, delusion and disconnection with reality.
12:54 PM
If you have a brain that isn't easy to let go of its sense of what is and isn't real, you might have a bad time.
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I'm asking for advice, not a statement on the mental health of tulpamancers, lol
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I'm like, we disconnect with reality every day for ~8 hours and you have the gall to call that insane smh
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This is advice, you may be bashing your head on a brick wall.
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Dissociation has always been key , in my family, to switch.
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yeah like, how could it not be
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Though, we do have three other methods we use.
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If it wouldn't be too risky for you, you could try waiting until you're exhausted physically and try having Lyra disassociate then.
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We do that all the time
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Super tired so don’t feel like listing. Perhaps try the stairs method?
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Using that as a method, or not sleeping?
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First time I switched I’d been possessing three days straight and Kevin just fell asleep. That somehow left me in control.
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It lasted 4 hours before I passed out too.
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We process as often as possible unless something like school or work unintentionally pushes us out
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The girls and I have been working on a switching guide: https://pastebin.com/M0Gcn49y anyone have any constructive feedback for this DRAFT?
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@Xe I guess I'm not sure which part of switching you're teaching here
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are you assuming that whoever is reading can already dissociate & possess
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wait
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sorry
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if you read the pre-requisites header-like, yes
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yes you explicitly state that
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though, IME
4:46 PM
dissociation isn't actually required
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it can help
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but it's not required at all
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what would you say constitutes switching if dissociation isn't a part of it
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cause when you define it in the top, you mention dissociation
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puts in notes: forgot to update the rest of the intro removing the dissociation dep
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I guess for me, change out who is calling the shots seems nebulous; I kinda get what you mean, but it doesn't seem like it's exactly a discrete thing from possession the way I would understand it
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I'm not sure if it's meant to be
4:51 PM
i'll be sure to update things
4:51 PM
thanks for the sanity check
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Switching by my definition involves the full withdraw of the host into the wonderland.
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@ia something i've been thinking about putting in there but am unsure if it would be a good idea is the "side effects" that people have noticed with switching (depersonalization, some level of mania). I don't have any solid numbers on it though.
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I wouldn't unless they were potentially serious, useful to watch out for, or might dissuade people
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when you don't expect it the depersonalization kinda fucks you up
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at least based on reports
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Always warn of potential bad results (edited)
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might be a good idea to mention then. although I guess it probably goes with dissociation more than switching per se?
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It will turn people away, scare them, but that's good
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@Reguile i guess a better way to phrase it is: is it frontloading or vigilance to mention it?
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it's always going to be frontloading
4:55 PM
but sometimes that's worthwhile
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Be brief, do not detail the things that can happen, just say that seriously ducked up stuff can happen if you try to switch
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bduddy #Diana# 4/11/2018 5:15 PM
why would anyone care about your definitions
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You talking to me?
5:22 PM
If so, then you can fuck right off with your aggressive bullshit.
5:24 PM
Aggressive and or passive aggressive. It's clear every time you speak to me that you aren't out to actually get along.
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Incidentally, I disagree with your definition, Reguile. It seems excessive, when many tulpas aren't perpetually daydreaming in the "wonderland", and we don't consider the hosts to simply be "possessing" the body during that time.
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The difference is who is fronting, moreso than who is daydreaming in the "wonderland".
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I think Reguile's is the classical definition
5:31 PM
inasmuch as there is one
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but I guess using it to say "changing who's fronting" is more common nowadays
5:31 PM
at the same time that doesn't require anything more than possession
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I suppose. It uses unequal qualification. Changing who is "fronting" does actually involve somewhat more than possession, but certainly less than having the host daydream during the tulpa fronting.
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My contention is the unequal qualification itself.
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I've been trying to proxy chess recently (we can't really do posession that well yet), for us it's like, she's sitting right behind me in a chair, telling me what to say.
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Regarding difficulty, however, I would point out that changing who is fronting does result in quite a bit of difficulty for people that haven't done it more than once or twice.
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I don't even know how to get started with possession. We've been trying on and off for years.
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That is what I've experienced when attempting to guide people through switching after possession, at least.
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what does it require more than possession, Winter
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belongs in #tulpa-questions
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I may be being overly reductive
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Host dissociation from the body, essentially causing the tulpa to have primary control over whether the host can use the body (as opposed to the reverse, which is the typical state of things). (edited)
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